2025-11-15 08:43:27 From Liang PC to Everyone: Slides for Liang Ng, The roles of FORTH in blockchain technologies and beyond (Summary & Updates) https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://omnixtar.github.io/svfig/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeXuQ5PbdA$ lsn95r@gmail.com 2025-11-15 08:46:08 From greg to Everyone: Morning, folks. See you in 15. 2025-11-15 08:47:04 From bruce to Everyone: yes i hear you 2025-11-15 08:54:47 From paul durao to Everyone: Number of people are unmuted Bruce etc 2025-11-15 09:03:39 From Stanford to Everyone: Chuck I assume you can hear us but we can't hear you? 2025-11-15 09:04:44 From Charles to Everyone: Hello everyone we can ear you standford 2025-11-15 09:09:22 From Liang PC to Everyone: We are happy to help if you could use AnyDesk for us to help you troubleshoot, I guess. 2025-11-15 09:09:37 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) to Everyone: The hyperlink on Meetup.com to the zoom meeting has two extra stars on it. 2025-11-15 09:10:04 From bruce to Everyone: CHUCK:: Can you UnWIND your Windows UpDate ? 2025-11-15 09:11:15 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: Seems to me the thing would be to port colorForth to Ubuntu Linux in Windows Subsystem for Linux 2025-11-15 09:12:04 From Kay Lack to Everyone: The question is: is anyone else using colorforth? 2025-11-15 09:12:28 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: I would use it if it ran on Linux 2025-11-15 09:13:01 From siva to Everyone: I use my version of Chuck’s ideas from color forth 2025-11-15 09:13:02 From paul durao to Everyone: Could the graphics be separated from the backend Front end graphics Backend forth 2025-11-15 09:14:09 From paul durao to Everyone: There is also uefi but that is pc specific intel specific 2025-11-15 09:14:44 From Liang PC to Everyone: Perhaps if Chuck would agree to make colorFORTH open source, then I am sure lots of people would love to help you carry on .... 2025-11-15 09:15:30 From Liang PC to Everyone: SO that would be my question to Chuck: would you agree to make colorFORTH open source? then I am sure lots of people would love to help you carry on .... 2025-11-15 09:16:12 From joe to Everyone: "the best thing about standards are that there are so many to choose from" (tanenbaum?) 2025-11-15 09:16:31 From Liang PC to Everyone: BTW, just a head up on my presentation, I will be talking about "separation of disclosure and royalties" -- keep source code open but charge third party for commercial use using hashcodes. 2025-11-15 09:16:52 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: Raspberry Pi is a great bare metal platform! 2025-11-15 09:17:03 From paul durao to Everyone: There has been attempts to have Linux on Mac hardware but not iOS mobile 2025-11-15 09:17:43 From joe to Everyone: Has anyone tried colorForth under Wine (the windows api emulator)? 2025-11-15 09:19:55 From joe to Everyone: Charles, if you can just share the .EXE file for colorForth, one of us can try running it on Wine under Linux. 2025-11-15 09:20:34 From Peter James to Everyone: Looking for forth programers t implement bitnet-deepseek on GreeiI. I believe the Greenarray cip could get better performance than a x86. Any interest? 2025-11-15 09:20:50 From paul durao to Everyone: Temple os was boot strapped but eventually it too stoped working It was speaking directly to the hardware 2025-11-15 09:21:37 From bruce to Everyone: CHUCK:: What else do you want to do ? 2025-11-15 09:21:29 From Liang PC to Everyone: Replying to "Temple os was boot strapped but eventually it too ...": hi. My email is lsn95r@gmail.com Let's chat on this? - Looking for forth programers t implement bitnet-deepseek on GreeiI. I believe the Greenarray cip could get better performance than a x86. Any interest? 2025-11-15 09:21:41 From bruce to Everyone: HIKING ?? 2025-11-15 09:21:53 From Liang PC to Everyone: Replying to "Looking for forth programers t implement bitnet-de...": hi. My email is lsn95r@gmail.com Let's chat on this? - Looking for forth programers t implement bitnet-deepseek on GreeiI. I believe the Greenarray cip could get better performance than a x86. Any interest? 2025-11-15 09:21:58 From paul durao to Everyone: Mobile is an even bigger challenge 2025-11-15 09:22:21 From Peter James to Everyone: A ternary computers eliminate matric multiplication 2025-11-15 09:22:37 From paul durao to Everyone: lol 2025-11-15 09:23:14 From bruce to Everyone: DO you NEED to UPDATE your WINDOWS ? CAN WE ROLL YOU BACK TO A PRIOR WORKING COMPUTER ? 2025-11-15 09:23:28 From Peter James to Everyone: You need to train them. ir. RAG retrieval augmented generation 2025-11-15 09:24:19 From Peter James to Everyone: yu need to prompt them properly. I have a dual gpu system generating code. Even machine vision code. 2025-11-15 09:24:47 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: I enjoy assembly language programming way too much to hand any of it over to an LLM!! 2025-11-15 09:25:04 From paul durao to Everyone: Temple os was speaking directly to hardware originally bootstrapped from dos created its own compiler language it’s just one example 2025-11-15 09:25:23 From Liang PC to Everyone: Just another heads up: I would propose how we could do Decentralised AI with hashcode filesystem .... 2025-11-15 09:25:25 From paul durao to Everyone: Thank you for forth and all the books and languages 2025-11-15 09:26:07 From Peter James to Everyone: V jepa-2 is the new better Ai technology. Meta's #1 Ai guy just left to start a company to implement Jepa. He says LLMs will never achieve AGI. 2025-11-15 09:26:48 From paul durao to Everyone: Forth people are the most open minded thank you for all that 2025-11-15 09:26:50 From Liang PC to Everyone: Many thanks to Chuck too for introducing FORTH to us all. 2025-11-15 09:28:02 From Liang PC to Everyone: Slides for Liang Ng, The roles of FORTH in blockchain technologies and beyond (Summary & Updates) https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://omnixtar.github.io/svfig/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeXuQ5PbdA$ lsn95r@gmail.com 2025-11-15 09:28:13 From Peter James to Everyone: We are also useing neuro-evolution. Forth is the only language I know of that is a pure algerbra which is ideal for generate well form genetic prgrams. These algrithms use much less prcessing. They have been used to ptiizal greenhuse basil prductin. 2025-11-15 09:29:50 From joe to Everyone: bruce might not be muted... 2025-11-15 09:30:18 From paul durao to Everyone: Some people r still unmuted 2025-11-15 09:30:19 From Peter James to Everyone: We need t train a fundational model for our Plant Whisperer robots. I don;t have a few billion dallrs so I am working on a ternary forth in silicon that shuld be able too t the same LLM train foor 5MW instead of Musk's 1GW Colossus. 2025-11-15 09:31:52 From Peter James to Everyone: Since Ai will replace human programers the fact that forth is a pure algebra only operators and operands, it has tremendus advantages in machine genertated software 2025-11-15 09:33:18 From Peter James to Everyone: I ternary forth chip can execute block chain transactions much faster than binary, be used for much more secure encryption 2025-11-15 09:34:58 From Peter James to Everyone: I nce deevelooped a database machine with the Novix chip. It ran iverted file searches 10 times faster than IBM fastest mainframe. 2025-11-15 09:36:08 From Peter James to Everyone: See tirtcoin.in 2025-11-15 09:38:36 From Peter James to Everyone: All those companies are about to crash. I am in treasuries now and will start buying mag 7 inverse ETFs soon. In 2008 I saved several hundred grand by selling our assets at the high. 2025-11-15 09:38:38 From paul durao to Everyone: This is a problem with open source or software in general making money Works for corporations not the communities 2025-11-15 09:40:06 From paul durao to Everyone: In the 80’s computers worked for the users today they work for the corporations Software development was healthy we did not outsource the hardware or software 2025-11-15 09:40:52 From greg to Everyone: Who would want to "outsource" FUN? 2025-11-15 09:46:16 From Liang PC to Everyone: I am having to answer questions in chat. Or contact me on lsn95r@gmail.com 2025-11-15 09:46:23 From siva to Everyone: I do not understand why anyone would want to use the traceable blockchain for financial transactions. 2025-11-15 09:46:32 From Liang PC to Everyone: Could i get the contact or email of the person asking me questions just now? 2025-11-15 09:46:33 From Bob Armstrong to Everyone: Liang , we should implement those records in some lines of CoSy . 2025-11-15 09:47:00 From Liang PC to Everyone: Replying to "Liang , we should implement those records in some ...": Agree. Cool. Let's work on it. 2025-11-15 09:47:30 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone: Replying to "Could i get the contact or email of the person ask...": Last question was from me; contacts are here: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mitranim.com*contacts__;Iw!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeVT3htZVw$ 2025-11-15 09:47:52 From Liang PC to Everyone: Replying to "I do not understand why anyone would want to use t...": You are right. With Omnihash, we can add another comlete anonymous layer to Blockchain!! 2025-11-15 09:49:36 From Liang PC to Everyone: Replying to "Could i get the contact or email of the person ask...": Got it. Thank you very much. 2025-11-15 09:50:32 From Liang PC to Everyone: Replying to "Liang , we should implement those records in some ...": Please contact me on lsn95r@gmail.com 2025-11-15 09:51:52 From siva to Everyone: Replying to "I do not understand why anyone would want to use t...": Thanks Liang. Sorry to ask these questions as I cannot find any educational material. Why does it need to be a hash? Why not just a number like an IP? 2025-11-15 09:52:13 From Liang Ng to Everyone: I just signed out from my PC Zoom. But still available here. Or email to lsn95r@gmail.com 2025-11-15 09:52:40 From paul durao to Everyone: I think context would be a good thing 2025-11-15 09:57:52 From paul durao to Everyone: Where r the chat notes stored once the recording stops Where are they archived You tube has the video Where are the notes stored ? 2025-11-15 10:03:36 From Peter James to Everyone: Can anyone help my with a Greenarray arrayforth benmark ternary matrix addition to compare to the cost and energy of a GPU matrix multi. I be advantage of ternary computers is to eliminate matrix multiples and GPUs needed to run them. 2025-11-15 10:05:02 From Peter James to Everyone: with a ternary computer elimination floating point. 2025-11-15 10:06:43 From greg to Everyone: I am still getting wierd audio effects and notice that the "Stanford" participant does not show the red "muted" indicator. Might that be a problem??? 2025-11-15 10:07:01 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: I used to work for a company that built matrix processing hardware!! Can someone pass my contact info to Bill Ragsdale?znmeb@algocompsynth.com 2025-11-15 10:07:30 From greg to Everyone: Guess not, but there are still wierd envelope things going on with the audio, at least for me 2025-11-15 10:08:48 From Peter James to Everyone: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://news.ucsc.edu/2024/06/matmul-free-llm/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeWwsWqihg$ 2025-11-15 10:08:55 From Liang Ng to Everyone: Replying to "I think context would be a good thing": @paul durao is this question for me? I think context would be a good thing 2025-11-15 10:11:26 From Liang Ng to Everyone: Replying to "https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://news.ucsc.edu/2024/06/matmul-free-llm/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeWwsWqihg$ ": Nice! 2025-11-15 10:11:46 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: Here's a link https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_floatingPorlesworthIntroducingReplicatedVLSItoSupe_2060067__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeVjZaSuHA$ 2025-11-15 10:24:07 From Peter James to Everyone: Does any know of anyone who has implement neural nets in forth? 2025-11-15 10:26:30 From Peter James to Everyone: Esp evolutinary surrogate assisted prescription neurevolution algrith simulated the evolution in small neural nets that can easily fit on the Greenarray chip. 2025-11-15 10:29:37 From Peter James to Everyone: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.04965__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeXd4hzQjg$ 2025-11-15 10:30:10 From Juergen Pintaske to Everyone: I wonder , regarding NNs, if anybody has implemented the RCE algorithm in Forth? 2025-11-15 10:31:15 From Peter James to Everyone: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.05368__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeU1eU1e3Q$ 2025-11-15 10:33:17 From Peter James to Everyone: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ai.meta.com/vjepa/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeWgMYCNtA$ 2025-11-15 10:34:35 From Peter James to Everyone: ternary fort: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://arduino-forth.com/article/FORTH_exemples_ternaryLogic__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeWhjleJvw$ 2025-11-15 10:35:11 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: Programming with a Differentiable Forth Interpreter https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://proceedings.mlr.press/v70/bosnjak17a/bosnjak17a.pdf__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeWJVmMPcg$ 2025-11-15 10:36:13 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://arxiv.org/pdf/1605.06640v1__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeVYJeXt6A$ 2025-11-15 10:37:19 From paul durao to Everyone: Ferranti ula was the early programmable chip used on zx spectrum etc 2025-11-15 10:52:10 From Peter James to Everyone: Here is a machine vision projract written by Llama 3 that lets me know when it time to water my grow cubes. 2025-11-15 10:52:12 From Peter James to Everyone: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://firstfruitsfarms.com:4000/media/water_left.mp4__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeWp_A738w$ 2025-11-15 11:02:07 From greg to Everyone: Thanks, Sam :) 2025-11-15 11:04:18 From Samuel A. Falvo II to Everyone: Replying to "Thanks, Sam :)": np! 2025-11-15 11:05:08 From Ken Boak to Everyone: Great presentation Sam, especially in this 50th year of the 6502. 2025-11-15 11:05:52 From Samuel A. Falvo II to Everyone: Replying to "Great presentation Sam, especially in this 50th ye...": That's true; I'd forgotten about that! Now, if only I could port durexForth to the 65816, that would be even better! 2025-11-15 11:07:29 From Ken Boak to Everyone: I love the name durexForth, I guess in the US you could call in trojanForth! 2025-11-15 11:08:13 From joe to Everyone: CarlH, please mute! 2025-11-15 11:08:59 From Samuel A. Falvo II to Everyone: Replying to "I love the name durexForth, I guess in the US you ...": Indeed; it's not the first time I thought the same. :) 2025-11-15 11:11:52 From Carl Hansen to Everyone: is mutted, ...computer error? 2025-11-15 11:28:24 From Liang Ng to Everyone: Let me guess, in Ting's Tao of FORTH, that colon are the two dots from Taichi symbol -- I guess. 2025-11-15 11:32:05 From paul durao to Everyone: Thank you 2025-11-15 11:33:57 From Samuel A. Falvo II to Everyone: Knowing Dr. Ting, I think the two dots were just supposed to be a colon. He had a wry sense of humor. He did use yin/yang symbology in other philosophical publications, occasionally. 2025-11-15 11:34:59 From Stephen Adels to Everyone: Interesting that the colon is in the Yin/Yang symbol! 2025-11-15 11:36:51 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone: Speaking of the Yin-Yang symbol: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Pacific_Railway__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!elb0Eq47rDraCbEtKoWf7VuItPI0qMuOSloS62l4V3iXJ28x80yzvty0_sM-n7uLBW24M8H5qH_-DeVT7ozv9A$ 2025-11-15 11:36:54 From Kay Lack to Everyone: I had the same thought Liang, I did wonder whether he might have seen/intended that double meaning. I read in one of his papers that F83 was originally going to be F88, as this would be a very lucky number in Chinese numerology. So he did sometimes seem to play with these meanings... 2025-11-15 11:48:49 From greg to Everyone: Leaving only the eyes makes the symbol nearer to that of Wu Chi, a marvelous thing. But very seriously, I recommend reading Lao Tzu's work Tao te ching because it is damn good advice for anyone interested in solving problems. His way of looking at things advocates working with the problem rather than beating it to death or forcing it into some mold that it does not fit. Very applicable to our way of doing things! 2025-11-15 12:00:29 From Samuel A. Falvo II to Everyone: I'm going to grab some lunch; so if anyone has any Qs for me, feel free to ask, but I will answer them when I get back. Thanks!