09:01:02 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) : I don't hear audio 09:01:31 From Dennis Ruffer : It's working for me 09:02:54 From Quinn Trejo : make sure you "join audio by computer" - it won't play until you press that button 09:11:07 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : And our ancestors who used to walk barefoot were well grounded. 09:11:16 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : I have a question. 09:11:43 From Jose Morales : Chuck thank you for gifting us Forth! 09:28:44 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : Here are my slides for the 9:30 talk. https://pythonlinks.info/presentations/forth/Nov2024ForthDay.pdf Just checking if my slot is at 1415 or 2.15pm? 09:42:09 From Liang Ng : Just wondering if anyone could help alert Kevin to check my messages on Zoom chat to Stanford user? Thank you very much. 09:46:32 From Ken Boak : Running Forth on 500 LUTs sound very cool. I want to run it on 1000 transistors (excluding memory) Just checking if my slot is at 1415 or 2.15pm? 09:53:02 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : Who was interested in running this soft core processor. Here is the pico-ice board. https://tinyvision.ai/products/pico-ice-fpga-trainer-board 09:54:38 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : Here is the HanaForth GitHub repository. You can download simulators for Ubuntu and Mac OS X, and you can download a me crisp ice bitstream for the pico-ice. 09:55:06 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : Who was the person interested in it? I am lozinski@PythonLinks.info 09:55:56 From W : @Chris I'm very interested in your stuff in custom core, as fpga tends to be too low performance per unit of energy, unless there has been some fpga improvement since ice. 09:59:28 From Kevin Appert, Program Chair : I have chat now, who was trying to reach me? 09:59:36 From W : Did Chuck say or announce anything interesting? I got the time wrong. 10:00:18 From Kevin Appert, Program Chair : It was pretty calm, nothing new. 10:00:40 From Kevin Appert, Program Chair : you can watch the YouTuber in a couple-3 days 10:01:16 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : Mecrisp Ice includes an open source FFT. 10:03:41 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : @W There was a recent article About a RISC-V chip on a flexible substrate. No need for a very expensive MASK. We could do that reasonably cheaply. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07976-y 10:05:03 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : In Europe there is a service which might make an ASIC for free. If they like the design. 10:05:28 From W : Thanks Kevin. Could I suggest relaying the zoom to YouTube live? So we can watch and scrub through it during the day, without signing in to the information harvesting services. 10:06:48 From Kevin Appert, Program Chair : Too many moving parts. Take it up with Brad. If he wants to do it, I'll only whine a little. 10:07:38 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : Youtube also harvests your data. And they for sure know who you are. 10:14:17 From W : But, they already know, and you can just watch without chasing extra registration, making sure cameras and sound is off, and not as much incidental information leak to others in the group with how meetup and zoom use your data. Anyway, you cam watch YouTube anonymously too. 10:15:01 From Jose Morales : While we are recommending, well worth considering Fig Forth meeting on Discord, it offers enhanced community engagement, real-time collaboration, and a centralized platform for discussions. Unlike Meetup and Zoom, Discord provides persistent chat channels, easy sharing of resources, and integrated voice/video options. Its user-friendly interface fosters a more interactive and inclusive environment, ensuring members stay connected and actively participate. Transitioning to Discord will elevate Fig meetings and strengthen the forth community. 10:18:29 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : Please post an invite to the fig forth discord server. 10:18:53 From Kevin Appert, Program Chair : If you want to start it, light the fuse. You don't need permission. All we geezers have momentum in our favor. I don't really like meetup, but our 370 "members" have no other channel to communicate. We may ease out in 4 or 5 months and look for another txt. 10:20:57 From Kevin Appert, Program Chair : Using YouTube just introduces more complications that we don't need. Complexity is unreliability and cost. 10:22:29 From greg : Discord works fine for collaboration. Never attended a large meeting held there, interested to learn how they do it. 10:23:02 From Kevin Appert, Program Chair : W, you were not sending to everyone 10:23:21 From W : Jose, I agree, if only their app didn't harvests too much. 10:24:50 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) : We should probably move the "Meetup replacement strategy" discussion to an email list. 10:26:15 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) : Discord, Slack, etc. are all commercial products and they will have some things we don't like, such as costing money and collecting user data. 10:27:41 From Jose Morales : @greg Sure, rather simple… I have been on the meetings for Mojo, they get a couple hundred people there… 10:41:02 From W : Chris, thanks for that link. But 60Khz at 6mw, is too slow and too much energy envelope for me. Everytime you see IGZO, you know it's not going be fast. Surely there must be a way to get 100-1000x higher performance at 10x less energy? This obsession about flexible electronics is wrecking things. A 1mm misc chip could be so small you could put 50 accross 10cm, and still bend it a lot without chip structural integrity issues. It's the interconnects that then still have to be flexible. So, there is room for research into higher performance inflexible mini chip techniques on flexible substrates, and for most of us that only need a hard substrate. 10:41:02 From frederick desimpel : Funny how mixed up terminology are… a synth generates, while (ai) generator synthesis … 10:42:04 From frederick desimpel : The patent I mentioned… 128 bit pointers anyone ? https://patents.google.com/patent/US20220164435A1/en?q=(Agent)&assignee=nchain&oq=Agent+nchain 10:45:20 From W : Edward, I'd rather pay for a service ratter than give apps permission to access my files and phone records, it doesnt need, with android's, hidden automatic network access permission. Anyway, I think this horse is beaten, and whatever will come out of it will. 10:46:35 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : @W The problem is that there is not enough market demand to justify the 10s of millions of dollars for a mask set. But there is a small group of people who would save moneyed add functionality on an inexpensive FPGA with a smaller soft core. Really applications like vision can only be done on an FPGA. The RP2350 ability to display images will make a big difference. 10:50:30 From Paul Durao : In the 80’s ula’s from Ferrari was a way that every British computer and control system had, in which the logic was mass produced, but a mask could change the connections between that logic after fabrication 10:53:26 From W : There is that US bunch supplying machines to Intel, with a magnitude reduction in chip costs (two actual magnitudes in the equipment it displaces). Can't remember their name. But, at the moment they are concentrating on using the machines for chiplet interconnects. Very tempting to get something together and them for a test run, to prove their system to fab customers. 10:55:58 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : Please post the links in the chat. 10:56:33 From Chris (@UncensoerdNews) : XMOS is most interesting. 11:00:49 From Kevin Appert, Program Chair : if you miss them here, they will be on the YouTube replay in 2-3 days 11:02:12 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) : znmeb@algocompsynth.com 11:06:13 From W : Chris, https://nano-ops.net/ Have fun! 11:08:43 From frederick desimpel : … Forth mentioned in [0147] 11:10:12 From Stephen A #1 : For Edward Borasky, I considered this $11 USD 16-Core 2400MIPs microcontroller from XMOS. It says OTP (one-time-programmable), but that's misleading, as there is only one area that has this property, and it's for setting secure strings and serial numbers... that kind of thing. my email sadels on the gmail.com site. Description: XCore xcore.ai Microcontroller IC 32-Bit 16-Core 2400MIPs 8KB (8K x 8) OTP 128-TQFP (14x14) DigiKey URL: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/xmos/XU316-1024-TQ128-I24/17764324 11:20:58 From Stephen A #1 : XMOS multicore at DigiKey https://tinyurl.com/yc59yeut 11:23:45 From Liang Ng : I would like to suggest speakers may leave your contact (email, LinkedIn etc.) in YouTube comment section, together with link to slides. GitHub would be a handy super website for storing PDF. 11:27:04 From Don Golding : https://github.com/linkedin/forthic 11:29:58 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) : It turns out I have seen the XMOS - I don't remember why I ruled it out but I have a pretty deep queue of targets now including the Pico-Ice and RP2350 boards. 11:35:23 From Don Golding : Forth is "hiding", everywhere! 11:39:43 From Liang Ng : Reacted to Forth is "hiding", e... with "👍" 11:40:47 From Jose Morales : That was amazing! 11:41:32 From Liang Ng : Very nice. Very similar to Phoscript that I will be presenting at 2.15pm, but from different perspectives. 11:41:54 From Jose Morales : yes 11:41:56 From greg : yes 11:42:04 From greg : YES 11:46:44 From Paul Durao : Unix does that resizing gui’s 11:56:27 From greg : Whip it, Leon