2026-04-25 09:17:08 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone:
	When Linux catches up with the newer Windows Arm hardware I may get a new laptop and dual boot it but the Qualcomm stuff is still a bit dodgy in Linux.
	
2026-04-25 09:18:02 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone:
	Not to be confused with mining disasters.
	
2026-04-25 09:27:44 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone:
	Brad, is this the Forth for the 1130 that you have?
	
	https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/monsonite/1968-FORTH/tree/main__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJN80vBCc$ 
	
2026-04-25 09:28:37 From paul durao to Everyone:
	We still have trams in Lisbon
	
2026-04-25 09:28:59 From paul durao to Everyone:
	Fake drivers licenses …for uber
	
2026-04-25 09:30:14 From Brad Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "Brad, is this the Forth for the 1130 that you have...":
	It is indirectly, though through, some light tweaks Charles Anthony made in this repo: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gitlab.com/unused0/protoforth__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJJcqEQU2$  Here's my emulator: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://flagxor.github.io/forth1130/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJEBNA75g$ 
	
2026-04-25 09:42:42 From Bob Armstrong to Everyone:
	We have had a llama feral on Pikes Peak .
	
2026-04-25 09:45:08 From Hermann Habacher to Everyone:
	@Liang Ng On your presentation there are black boxes in the front hiding some parts. please may you remove them? thx in advance.
	
2026-04-25 09:45:23 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	Oh, so it's not just me seeing that
	
2026-04-25 09:46:38 From Mark Deazley to Everyone:
	Me too.
	
2026-04-25 09:49:15 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	if this is Zoom's fault, sure glad I stayed on version 6.6.6
	
2026-04-25 09:50:45 From knud to Everyone:
	Panels controlling the software while sharing the screen are very often tricky, not only in zoom
	
2026-04-25 09:53:48 From Stephen Pelc to Everyone:
	where is the agenda?
	
2026-04-25 09:54:18 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	Replying to "where is the agenda?":
	https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.meetup.com/sv-fig/events/314290436/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJIL4wYqx$ 
	
2026-04-25 09:55:24 From Stephen Pelc to Everyone:
	look ma! NO agenda
	
2026-04-25 10:00:36 From Bob Armstrong to Everyone:
	map  ~
	 ` aaply :??
	
2026-04-25 10:00:58 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of giving tools to LLMs, can be used for Forth integration as well); much easier than modifying llama.cpp
	
2026-04-25 10:08:33 From Program Chairman Kevin to Everyone:
	The agenda is on the event tab on our page on Meetup.com
	
2026-04-25 10:08:53 From Program Chairman Kevin to Everyone:
	did you click "Read More" ?
	
2026-04-25 10:11:15 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	I just looked up MCP -- I knew what it was but did not come across this term specifically ... ;-)
	
	Quick answer to your question:
	
	As I explained in slide 22:
	1. FORTH expressions are simply space delimited tokens, which can be parsed by LLM as input or output data. → grounding for “action” or “operation” !!
	2. FORTH shell in llama.cpp in turn may modify llama.cpp, or create parallel execution engines, optionally bypassing the original.
	3. Other programming languages may perform the above, but with Phoscript as translation interface to other programming languages, the distinctions become trivial.
	
2026-04-25 10:12:23 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	Specifically, I don't you can give a "grounded definition" for "addition" in MCP or other ways besides LLASMA.
	
2026-04-25 10:13:02 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	Defining high level actions or concepts using MCP is not good enough to eliminate hallucinations.
	
2026-04-25 10:13:18 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	We can chat more after the presentation today if you still have time.
	
2026-04-25 10:15:48 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	Contact me on lsn95r@gmail.com or Telegram @liang_ng
	
2026-04-25 10:17:15 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	Using LLASAMA to define LOW LEVEL FUNCTIONS (not just define but "grounded definition) is essential and I do not know of any other way to to this.
	
2026-04-25 10:20:35 From paul durao to Everyone:
	Temple is had a jit language 
	
	Dynamic linking is relatively easy on unix 
	
	Sun could load object files 
	
	The challenge is something like iOS
	
2026-04-25 10:25:34 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/mitranim/astil_forth__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJJFSiu8h$ 
	
2026-04-25 10:25:41 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	my contacts are at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mitranim.com__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJMPEOddD$ 
	
2026-04-25 10:27:01 From Brad Nelson to Everyone:
	https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.meetup.com/sv-fig/events/314290436/?eventOrigin=group_upcoming_events__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJBceLquK$ 
	
2026-04-25 10:28:52 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	So what happened just now was one of those live presentation hiccups ....
	
	As shown in this screen, it seems llama.cpp did not respond well with single word prompt (FORTH) but started responding with "> Tell me more about FORTH programming language"
	
	But it seems to be getting some facts worng !!
	
	"FORTH (Frank Ozawa's Thesaurus) is a minimalist programming language ...." .... which proved I am not making this up!!
	Screenshot from 2026-04-26 01-25-05.png
	
2026-04-25 10:29:02 From paul durao to Everyone:
	Never thought this forth group took politics seriously enough 
	We are too anarchists to take anything seriously
	
2026-04-25 10:29:31 From Brad Nelson to Everyone:
	https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.meetup.com/sv-fig/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJDVTbu2v$ 
	
2026-04-25 10:29:57 From Brad Nelson to Everyone:
	The meetup page ^ click events, click on a meeting, click on read more
	
2026-04-25 10:30:01 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "my contacts are at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mitranim.com__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJMPEOddD$ ":
	Did you see my replies to your question above?
	
2026-04-25 10:35:01 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	Replying to "my contacts are at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mitranim.com__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJMPEOddD$ ":
	@Liang Ng reading
	
2026-04-25 10:38:36 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	To be honest I don't understand your response. My point was that there's a "standard" way of adding capabilities to any LLM, which is supported by all major providers and frameworks. You can implement it once, and use in multiple systems. It wouldn't be limited to a modified llama.cpp. By using MCP you can give them the ability to run anything you want, Forth and more.
	
2026-04-25 10:39:11 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	Let's chat after this meeting -- are you staying?
	
2026-04-25 10:39:20 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	sure
	
2026-04-25 10:39:39 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	my Discord and Telegram names are  mitranim 
	
2026-04-25 10:39:44 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	Or you can call me or Telegram @liang_ng
	
2026-04-25 10:43:02 From Program Chairman Kevin to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	You could tell someone who was really important in those days ... they had a Friden square root
	
2026-04-25 10:44:44 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "@Liang Ng something to look into: "MCP" (way of gi...":
	Kevin, you replied to our chat ;-)
	
2026-04-25 10:45:42 From paul durao to Everyone:
	Very good presentation thank you
	
2026-04-25 10:46:22 From juergen to Everyone:
	Thanks for the great chat about Chuck in 1958 ...
	
2026-04-25 10:46:35 From Dave Jaffe to Everyone:
	J Alan Hynek
	
2026-04-25 10:46:54 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	@Kay Lack could you please post the URL for the image of the letter here? Thank you very much!
	
2026-04-25 10:47:08 From Dave Jaffe to Everyone:
	I attended his "UFO" Lecture at Northwestern
	
2026-04-25 10:47:11 From Kay Lack to Everyone:
	https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://colorforth.github.io/sao.htm__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJF7cqXY_$ 
	
2026-04-25 10:49:12 From Program Chairman Kevin to Everyone:
	You could tell someone who was really important in those days ... they had a Friden square root
	
2026-04-25 10:49:13 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	Chuck also wrote a book way back which remained unpublished for a while, a fun read: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://colorforth.github.io/POL.htm__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJAcqF6B3$ 
	
2026-04-25 10:49:44 From Liang Ng to Everyone:
	Replying to "https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://colorforth.github.io/sao.htm__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJF7cqXY_$ ":
	Thank you very much!
	
	Great presentation!
	
2026-04-25 10:50:09 From ph to Everyone:
	For satellite orbit calculations, THE standard book is this: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://astrobooks.com/vallado5hb.aspx__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJMgp_-Qh$   — if you buy it from that site, it is “merely” $120.  Amazon charges a lot more.
	
2026-04-25 10:54:37 From ph to Everyone:
	Also, sgp4 is a good publicly available software library in various languages: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://celestrak.org/software/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJBhBI59P$ 
	
2026-04-25 10:55:13 From Marc Bellario to Everyone:
	this is my first meeting. & only late ( < 24hrs ), plus $1 short  ???
	
2026-04-25 10:58:34 From Marc Bellario to Everyone:
	what is clock speed ?
	
2026-04-25 11:02:30 From Bob Armstrong to Everyone:
	IBM  1620 ( 1963 ) ` CADET also booted from card .
	
2026-04-25 11:02:52 From ph to Everyone:
	CADET: Can’t Add, Doesn’t Even Try :-)
	
2026-04-25 11:05:04 From ph to Everyone:
	I asked Chuck what BALO did but he did not recall.
	
2026-04-25 11:09:50 From Program Chairman Kevin to Everyone:
	Ask Carl Claunch
	
2026-04-25 11:10:11 From ph to Everyone:
	I think Carl did in fact provide some insight into it.
	
2026-04-25 11:10:24 From ph to Everyone:
	But the code for BALO seems to be lost.
	
2026-04-25 11:12:09 From Marc Bellario to Everyone:
	this page is or maybe blank ?
	
2026-04-25 11:13:56 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	Brad's presentation link: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://flagxor.github.io/svfig-talks/svfig-2026-04-25/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJDqkUl0b$ 
	
2026-04-25 11:14:02 From Dave Jaffe to Everyone:
	I remember using this keypunch at Univ of Michigan - the langiage used was MAD - Michigan Algorithm Decoder!
	
2026-04-25 11:14:05 From ph to Everyone:
	I made a card punch format card for FORTRAN when writing tons of FORTRAN on punched cards.
	
2026-04-25 11:14:27 From Marc Bellario to Everyone:
	i worked in an office with a card punch which programmers were not allowed to touch ?
	
2026-04-25 11:23:19 From Program Chairman Kevin to Everyone:
	in the 70s there was a company that refurbished 026 keypunches and replaced the sheetmetal with very stylish ultramodern fiberglass.
	
2026-04-25 11:25:57 From Kay Lack to Everyone:
	those nonzero/false/positive words seem quite similar to the ?? word by Wil Baden! how interesting
	
2026-04-25 11:26:58 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://flagxor.github.io/forth1130/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJEBNA75g$ 
	
2026-04-25 11:27:43 From Program Chairman Kevin to Everyone:
	do you have to make sure the virtual power supply is virtually connected?
	
2026-04-25 11:30:29 From ph to Everyone:
	😂
	
2026-04-25 11:31:49 From Kay Lack to Everyone:
	fascinating, wonderful, definitely shows how much work you put into it. thank you brad!
	
2026-04-25 11:32:08 From Kay Lack to Everyone:
	just in case anyone wanted one.... is there a backspace? 🤣
	
2026-04-25 11:33:29 From ph to Everyone:
	Wonderful work, Brad!
	
2026-04-25 11:33:37 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	thank you for the talk @Brad Nelson, very cool
	
2026-04-25 11:33:55 From Nelo Mitranim to Everyone:
	https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/flagxor/forth1130__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJArrhxUS$ 
	
2026-04-25 11:35:31 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone:
	Fun fact: I programmed an 1130 for a living in 1965. But not in Forth ;-)
	
2026-04-25 11:35:28 From Marc Bellario to Everyone:
	burning transistor s
	
2026-04-25 11:40:00 From M Edward Borasky (@znmeb) to Everyone:
	There was also an IBM 1800 - pretty much the same instruction set as the 1130, but rack-mountable for industrial control applications and a good bit more powerful.
	
2026-04-25 11:42:26 From Brad Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "those nonzero/false/positive words seem quite simi...":
	Also reminded me of DSSP : https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.concatenative.org/wiki/view/DSSP__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJM228gIP$ 
	
2026-04-25 11:45:02 From Brad Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "just in case anyone wanted one.... is there a back...":
	So there is a backspace key, which even gets its own bit position in the word handed over on a keyboard interrupt.But Chuck's Forth doesn't do anything with it, it gets treated like any other special character (except worse because the system doesn't know how to print it and prints a ?).
	
2026-04-25 11:51:58 From Kay Lack to Everyone:
	Replying to "just in case anyone wanted one.... is there a back...":
	he didn't make mistakes i guess :)
	
2026-04-25 11:59:52 From Mark Deazley to Everyone:
	Replying to "just in case anyone wanted one.... is there a back...":
	We had a IBM 1800 in our lab circa 1984. We turned it on to heat up the lab. It was a monster.
	
2026-04-25 12:00:27 From Brad Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "just in case anyone wanted one.... is there a back...":
	Hah, I guess so. Input that doesn't match the dictionary does nothing, and numbers will parse to take only the lower 16-bits, so sort of lets you skip. But all of that would get compiled into your word when defining one, so
	
2026-04-25 12:02:40 From Brad Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "just in case anyone wanted one.... is there a back...":
	Apparently the 1130 boot card for DMS is used to be able to load a 1800 boot card and DMS got shared as the OS for both: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://ibm1130.org/sim/resurrecting-dms/__;!!G92We9drHetJ8EofZw!Ye1PE93FpUbVVgB4i9eoxPE26YMhXRFtNWWOGZ1oN36e9Qo8ifQGJypnqGxGgKMQJXp4_dqDLhcoJOFm7_8B$ 
	
2026-04-25 12:07:57 From Marc Bellario to Everyone:
	focus is or was a programming language
	
2026-04-25 12:11:33 From paul durao to Everyone:
	There was the cat system in forth
	
2026-04-25 12:12:03 From paul durao to Everyone:
	Eval is probably the connection
	
2026-04-25 12:12:50 From paul durao to Everyone:
	eMacs is an editor first maybe
	
2026-04-25 12:13:34 From paul durao to Everyone:
	Cannon cat was an editor written in forth
	
2026-04-25 12:14:32 From paul durao to Everyone:
	Smalltalk u can select code an execute 
	How well eMacs and forth can do this …
	
2026-04-25 12:15:05 From Richard Hair to Everyone:
	see you all - have a good day...
	
2026-04-25 12:16:13 From paul durao to Everyone:
	Only a few languages have eval